Peggy Sue Got Married: Part 2

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This week, Jamie and Ben are reviewing Peggy Sue Got Married and talking about the legacy of the Coppola family, the surprise stars, and the very idea of being thrust back into your high school self.

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Transcript

Ben Silverio 0:05

Hey, I'm Ben Silverio

Jamie Jirak 0:07

and I'm Jamie Jirak,

Ben Silverio 0:08

and it's time to party. It's basically power of love from Back to the Future, of course, but but different enough so that we're not gonna get sued. Yeah, party people, welcome back. This is time to party where everything is made up and the points don't matter. I really, really need a better catchphrase for this podcast. But you know, we've been doing this for so many years that you know, why change now. Welcome back to the podcast. If you're just joining us this month, which you know, good on you. Maybe you don't want to play games, and that's okay. You can party however you want, but the way we do things here, time to party. First episode of the month, drinking game. Second episode of the month, where we're at now is our review, and third episode is our edutainment, where you just might learn something, but first we're gonna be talking about Peggy Sue Got Married, this incredible film from director Francis Ford Coppola, if you don't know anything about it, here's what our friends from Rotten Tomatoes have to say. Peggy Sue bordell attends her 25 year high school reunion after separating from her cheating husband, Charlie, she regrets the decision she's made in her life, such as getting pregnant by Charlie in high school, when she faints at the reunion, she awakens in 1960 given the chance to relive her life, she changes many things. However, some choices are more complicated as she begins to see young Charlie's charm and true feelings. There is a lot to unpack there. Luckily, we have the incredible Jamie Durak with us. Hi, Jamie, hi

Jamie Jirak 2:02

Thank you for having me. Rotten Tomatoes. Description of the film is a little more positive than I am. DBs, I didn't really like IMDB description.

Ben Silverio 2:09

That's usually how things go around here. Usually the Rotten Tomatoes one is preferred. But yeah, you know IMDb does their best Well, I mean, they do, I guess sometimes it's not their best, but

Jamie Jirak 2:26

we still use it every day of our lives, so they're doing that

Ben Silverio 2:29

Absolutely. Oh, man, so Jamie, let's start with your history with this movie you chose Peggy Sue Got Married out of the pantheon of time travel movies. Why? Why? Why did you pick this one?

Jamie Jirak 2:44

Well, I had a few on my list. You know, I got into a debate with my boyfriend Tony, about if Lost Highway counts because it was on some time travel list. And I was like, I don't know if it counts. So I didn't pick that because this year, I'm always trying to talk a Lynch and then, you know, then that kind of spawned into, like, big directors, and, you know, Coppola is obviously one of the biggest but ultimately, it really comes down to, I, any time I can talk about Nick Cage, I will talk about Nick Cage. That's that's why I'm here today, is to talk about

Ben Silverio 3:16

Nick incredible. And as I said in the first episode. This is the first time I've seen Peggy Sue Got Married, so I'm excited to talk about this with you. So you mentioned big directors, and I did not realize that Francis Ford Coppola directed this movie when I started it. And it's just like for For those unfamiliar. I mean, if you're listening to a movie podcast, you're probably familiar, but you know, he directed the Godfather Apocalypse Now the outsiders. So like for this, I wouldn't say, I mean it kind it's kind of a rom com, right? But it's more dramatic than your average rom com, a

Jamie Jirak 3:56

ROM dramedy with a hint, sci fi, a teeny, tiny 5% sci fi.

Ben Silverio 4:03

Oh God, such a such a small amount of sci fi, but, but I'll get to that in a second. Now his I mean, what do you think about Peggy Sue Got Married? Like? What do you think are some moments where you're just like, yeah, no, this is definitely Coppola at work here.

Jamie Jirak 4:25

You know, that's a good question, because I don't think that I ever would have guessed if I didn't know that this was Coppola. And I think that a lot of what makes it good is, is the structure of it. I think that I don't think there's a lot of like fat here. I think that he pulls out some really good performances. But the real key, the way that, you know it's a Coppola film, is that he puts Sophia Coppola in it, watching what she does in this movie, which is literally like she has nothing, she has no emotion. She's so bad and. Being like, let you know what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna put her in The Godfather three, which I'm gonna be honest with you, I've actually never seen the Godfather Part Three, but I know, infamously, that, like the whole world thought that she ruined it. And I think that, like you should have saw that coming after this movie, like the Copal and nepotism works. That's how we got in a cage. You know, that. So we have Jason schwartzmann's up in the under that umbrella, if I'm mistaken, like there's so many great Coppola things, but Sophia Coppola acting is not one of them. She's an amazing director, you know, but yes,

Ben Silverio 5:33

her delivery of the line, teenagers are weird and you're the weirdest. As little sort of sister Nancy is just, I'm just like, oh, okay, you're, you're on set for the day, I guess.

Jamie Jirak 5:45

So flat, like, truly teen, like she's reading. Teenagers are the weirdest. It's not good.

Ben Silverio 5:54

Oh man. But there are some phenomenal performances in this movie, for sure. I mean, we'll get to the the marquee names like at the time of this movie, but the first thing that came to mind when, when, you know, the things started kicking off for me, was Jim Carrey. I knew that way. I was very surprised. I was not expecting Jim Carrey to pop up, because this is pre earth. Girls are easy. This is pre in living color. You know, this is before we knew the type of comedy powerhouse that Jim Carrey could be. And here he is in this do op group in the 1960s and this like dentist with maybe a drug problem. But I want to make this reference because I know that you're one of the few people who would get it when I saw his character, Walter, he just felt to me like, if this were the grease cinematic universe, he would be the putsy or the goose. Yeah, you know he's, he's filling that role in the gang, 100%

Jamie Jirak 7:00

a goose for sure, 100% he's the loudmouth, the funny guy. And it's like, what perfect casting for Jim Carrey, but it's funny to see him make out with the mom from Seventh Heaven. Like, that's really where

Ben Silverio 7:15

I did not realize that was her. I

Jamie Jirak 7:17

always forget her name, but i Star Trek for The Voyage Home is my favorite Star Trek anything, and she's in that too, and I but to me, she's just always mom from,

Ben Silverio 7:28

yeah, there's so many like, Hey, I know that person in this movie. You know, Joan

Jamie Jirak 7:34

Allen is one of my favorite actors. Two of my favorite movies of all time are face off in Pleasantville, and she's just, she's such a phenomenal actor and and I love her character in this she's like the prudish one who only like thinks of like getting married. And I love her outfits too, like her tall socks. I think she's just adorable.

Ben Silverio 7:52

Are there any pieces of period clothing from this time that you wish would come back?

Jamie Jirak 7:58

So I'm I'm not a dress girl. I have not worn a dress in many years. I'm all about the pants. So, like, if I was gonna wear anything, it'd be like, what Charlie's wearing? I love when his sweater, and she, like, freaks out about it, and she's like, Oh my God, that's sweater. It's crazy. I'm like, It's not that crazy. Like, by any time standards, like, it's just like, a white sweater with, like, some pattern down the side. And I'm like, I'd wear that for sure, but there's nothing like but there's nothing this the late, like 50s, early 60s. Like, I'm a 70s girl. If I could live in any decade, it'd be the 70s. I have no use for 1960

Ben Silverio 8:37

no saddle shoes or poodle skirts for you. No, uh, uh, another character that I wanted to bring up was Dolores dodge, played by Lisa Jane Persky, and she stood out to me because she's just here at this reunion, podcasting her way through it, like a lot of us will say that, like Kevin Smith is a pioneer or or mark Marin is a pioneer, but like, Dolores dodge kind of made podcasting.

Jamie Jirak 9:07

What is she doing with those recordings? Like, what is she like? What does she plan to do? Send out. That's what I wanted. Everybody I imagine. I imagine her. She's like a journalist now, because she's like a nosy, busy buddy, and that's what she became, because us as journalists, we everyone knows we're really nosy, busy buddies.

Ben Silverio 9:25

Yeah, I don't know about that.

Jamie Jirak 9:29

So, yeah, I do wonder what, what her plan is those recordings,

Ben Silverio 9:35

she's she has a radio show, and she's making a limited series about the people she went to high school with who missed the sexual revolution. She's just like, such a, oh my god. And then when she gets put in her place, that's a that's a fun moment,

Jamie Jirak 9:53

which I wish was even more, because it's so funny, like when the insults she gives are like, go, go, take a long walk. Fuck off a short pier. It's like, that's such a that's not really, that's not creative, but I do like that Peggy's like, I don't have time for this. Just gonna walk.

Ben Silverio 10:06

And before that, the insult is, go stuff your bra. And it's just like, okay, like, that's the best you can come up with.

Jamie Jirak 10:16

That's pretty harsh to be fair, but it is an original. That's the point. It's not an original exactly.

Ben Silverio 10:27

Okay, I'm gonna jump my next note, because I know we're gonna spend a lot of time talking about him. But Kathleen Turner, incredible legend, I will admit, though, the first thing that comes to mind when I hear Kathleen Turner, oh, no, sorry, I sorry. I love that movie so much. It is one of my favorite movies of all time. I cannot say enough good things about Who Framed Roger Rabbit, but yeah, she's part she voices Jessica Rabbit in that movie. She's also in body heat and the man with two brains and so many other amazing projects. But the first thing that came to mind was Kathleen Turner overdrive, the band that Jack Black's character was in, in high fidelity.

Jamie Jirak 11:11

Amazing. That is a good I

Ben Silverio 11:14

love it. I just think that Jack Black is so silly with his band names. And so when Kathleen Turner overdrive comes up, I'm just like, I know that name. Why do I know that name? Went back when I saw it, but now, knowing how much of a legend, Kathleen Turner is the quite the honor really, to to give the the former the or, well, to give the precursor to Barry Jive in the Uptown five, kind of a big deal.

Jamie Jirak 11:40

She had, like, truly, the sexiest voice that's ever existed. It's funny, if I really think about it, like, I'm sure the first time I, like, knew Kathleen Turner's name was because she was playing Chandler's dad on

Ben Silverio 11:52

friends, which is, I'm sorry, what? Oh, you don't know what this Yeah, I don't like friends, so I haven't seen a lot of up

Jamie Jirak 12:00

with friends, like I watched it constantly as a kid, and so the whole thing is that Chandler's dad is gay and is constantly dressing like a woman. So they like. They didn't have the like. Clearly, his dad is She's a trans woman, but they didn't have that language, so she's so the character is still always gendered. Is he him? Always called dad, but it's but he, he is played by Kathleen Turner. In a way, it's really progressive. And in a lot of ways, it's really not, it's, it's, it depends how you look at it, for the time, you know the if the language had been a little better, it was, it was often treated as a joke, but not always. Sometimes it was actually treated with care. So it's, I'm sure that there are a million debates about it on the internet. I haven't, I have not stepped into friends discourse since social media became

Ben Silverio 12:50

a popular thing. Gosh, I can only imagine that being a big point of contention. Yeah, gosh, but in this movie, you know, I really love the the introspection that Kathleen Turner brings to Peggy Sue just like she's really considering all angles, because she's just like, oh, here I am. Do I really get to do this all over again? How would I do it differently? Like, that's always something on people's minds, right? Like, especially when they're revisiting the past. You know, I recently had to move back to my hometown, and, you know, seeing how everything's, you know, the same, but like, different. Passing by my old high school, I'm like, would I have done anything different? So, so Jamie, if you were put in the same situation as Peggy Sue, is there anything that you would have done differently in your senior year of high school?

Jamie Jirak 13:46

Absolutely not. So I loved high school. I went to a performing arts high school for theater. Half my day, every day was theater classes. It was amazing. And wow, most of my friends from high school, you know, all these years later, I graduated in 2008 are still all my best friends, but I did have a very like, whirlwind romance, my first high school boyfriend, Zach Freeman, if you're listening, when I think back on like, why I love teen movies especially is because romance in that time is like life or death. And when you watch a rom com with adults and they fall in love within a day. It's like, That's stupid, but it's so believable with teenagers, because that is how it works. Everything moves at lightning speed, and everything's so dramatic and and like when we broke up, it was like, truly, the end of the world. And if you had asked me probably within five years of that, I would have said, No, I would never have met Zach Freeman. He broke my heart. But like, now, like, we eventually, like, became friends again, because we still all have the same friends from high school and and now I wouldn't change that at all, because it was a beautiful little blip in my young life, and thankfully I didn't marry him. That would have been bad. That would have been a really bad turn. And for me, maybe if that had gone that way, I would be saying a different thing. But no, I really cherish my high school memories.

Ben Silverio 15:07

I wouldn't change and we may not have gotten Love in the Time of Hive job. Yeah, if that

Jamie Jirak 15:11

happens, oh my gosh. Can you imagine I wouldn't have gotten into Asians of shield? That would have been crazy. Oh my god,

Ben Silverio 15:19

man, I went to an all boys Catholic High School, and I, a am not Catholic, and b Am not Italian or Irish, so I stood out like a sore thumb. And you know, there are parts of high school that, you know, I wish I didn't go through, but it's like looking back on it, it's like, if I didn't go through these things, I wouldn't be who I am now. So, you know, one could argue that being who I am now isn't the best, but it's fine. We're working with it, but most of my troubles now just come from the state of our industry falling apart, right? Exactly?

Jamie Jirak 15:59

Got another job rejection today. Oh, fun. At least half the time they don't even reject nothing. It's terrible.

Ben Silverio 16:09

Yes, they just don't even contact you. I applied for a fellowship this week. Who knows when I'll hear back? But you know, it's, it's fingers crossed, because it might, it might be good.

Jamie Jirak 16:21

I've been applying to jobs, like, even, like, in New York. I don't want to move back to New York. Like, I want to stay in LA, but, like, it's, I also don't want to change careers. So that's bleak out there. Yeah, um, we can't all have inherit our dad's electronic store.

Ben Silverio 16:37

Oh, my God, right. And that is the perfect segue out of this hole of sadness that we were about to go down. I got you. Thank you. So the big cast member that we need to talk about is Nicholas Cage. I mean, what? There's so much that can be said about Nicholas Cage, but I want to start with crazy Charlie, or the way that they say in the movie, oh, crazy Charlie and these smashing fortune cookies when I saw that, I'm just like, nope, villain. Hate him. Don't like it. And that may have like shaped my my opinion of the movie, or at least of him in the movie. So I don't know if that, you know, just made him such a villain to me that I wasn't rooting for him at all. But I know the point of the movie is like, oh, Peggy Sue sees the good in Charlie and everything. But just from a craft point of view, this might be one of Nicholas Cage's more subdued performance,

Jamie Jirak 17:41

which is a crazy thing to say that's like, because it's not at all. But there's the you got to rank them somehow.

Ben Silverio 17:49

Yeah, and it's funny, because, like, I didn't really get into Nicolas Cage until after the 90s, because, like, to me, seeing him in the 90s is just so batshit crazy, bonkers all over the place, but I keep forgetting that he had these these roles in the 80s, and that the people really remember fondly. So Jamie in your like Fandom of Nicholas Cage. Where does Peggy Sue Got Married fall among his great works?

Jamie Jirak 18:23

That's a great question, and I'm going to stall a minute, because I do have a ranking on my letterbox of every Nick Cage movie amazing. And so let me see where I put it. Okay, Nick Cage movies ranked. Peggy Sue Got Married for me is ranked currently at number 13 for Nick. Wow. 13 out of 46 is how many Nick Cage movies I have ranked so pretty high, but not top. Yeah, you know, I do have tattoos of my top three so, you know, I love the man so much. And it's for this movie. It's the voice. Why? Like, it's like, the nasally, breathy thing that, like, I wish I had practiced so I could do it like Peggy Sue I can't do it. I'm not good at voices. I was Nick Cage in pig for Halloween once, and Tony tried to teach me how to do the voice. And I'm like, I can't do it. He's like, where's my pig? I just can't do it. I can't do that. So that's okay. But, um, I just he, what I love about Nick Cage so much is that he makes choices. He commits to a choice. And I will defend like, you know, they have that episode of community. Like, is Nick Cage a good or a bad actor? And to me, it's, it's undeniable that he's a good actor because of what he and I think that a big case for it is, you know, he won the Oscar for Leaving Las Vegas and Leaving Las Vegas, he plays a raging alcoholic like the amount of I've never seen in any movie or real life. Someone consume alcohol the way his character in that movie does. And a character like that could be so easily and over the top Nic Cage, but he chose not to do that in he plays that character in a much like obviously, there's extremes, but. In a more subtle way than a lot of his things. And I think to me, that proves that, like, he knows what he's doing, like he's always making these choices very meticulously and like, and they're often very weird, but it's never boring. Like, truly there I've never sat through a Nick Cage movie where I was like, Oh, didn't like watching Nick Cage because, even because he made a lot of stinkers. We know that he's in some shitty movies, and even his shittiest movies, like he's so fun to watch.

Ben Silverio 20:28

Like, what is at the very bottom of your list right now?

Jamie Jirak 20:31

Oh, actually, number 46 is the movie he directed, which is sunny, sunny, starring James Franco. And what's so interesting, you know what? I'm just gonna like pull up my review, because Nicholas Cage has worked with just Francis Ford Coppola, Amy Heckerling, the Cohens, Norman Jewess and David Lynch, John Wu Joe Schumacher, Brian De Palma, Michael Bay, Martin Scorsese, some of, like, the biggest directors of all time, and he sucks at directing. He did not get any of that, but he has. He's in the film for like five minutes, and it's the best part of the movie. It's the only redeemable part of that movie, and that proves that he's meant to be in front of the camera. Because even though that movie's bad, it's so bad, like when he shows up, the whole thing lights back up again.

Ben Silverio 21:13

Oh, wow. I, part of me is like, I need to see it. But also, do I need to see it?

Jamie Jirak 21:20

It's not streaming anywhere. I think I had bought the DVD on eBay when I watched it, and then immediately got rid of the

Ben Silverio 21:27

DVD again. Oh, man, yeah, I'm a big proponent for physical media, but sometimes you just don't need to keep something.

Jamie Jirak 21:35

No, I Tony's a big get get rid of stuff I almost never do. But that one, it's like, I'm never gonna sit there. Never going to,

Ben Silverio 21:44

gosh, I could never, like, willingly get rid of some of my movies that I don't know. I know this is a bad movie, but where else am I gonna find it?

Jamie Jirak 21:55

You know exactly i We between us. I think we have almost 3000 movies between us, and so we're not getting rid of a lot, but occasionally he, especially with the VHS tapes, he's more he's he likes to rotate those in and out. Oh, okay. Fun. Fact about Tony that no one listening knows who that is, but he lives with me.

Ben Silverio 22:17

He He's awesome. He's a lot of fun. Just putting that out there, you should listen to Jamie and Tony's podcast. Let's see. What else can we say about Nick Cage? I mean, like he's just God, if you look at Charlie through a more modern lens, like an argument could be made that he's being incredibly manipulative throughout the movie. Do you think?

Jamie Jirak 22:43

I don't only because, like, the thing is, like, he's a teenager, he's a teenager who believes in his dreams and he really genuinely loves her, but he's a teenage boy. Like, they're, they're not the sharpest. You know, they're they, they're selfish and they, they have these grand ideas, and I think actually, that it's quite interesting that as soon as he's turned down by the producer, or whoever that guy is, he's like, Okay, I want to have a good life for Peggy. I'm going to inherit my father's store. And unfortunately, as he got older, he turned into his dad, you know, he cheated and everything. But I do think that all, like I said in our first episode, I think that Charlie is ultimately a good person, and I think that the the linchpin of that is when everyone's making fun of the nerd character, and he's like, and he like, says, like, no, he's a good guy. And I think that if he had been bullying people, I would have hated him. But I really do come down to now, if I thought I was gonna live my whole life again, would I have married him a second time, absolutely not, but I do like that she wakes up and and the idea of them reconciling does make sense to me. I don't. That's why I didn't like the IMDB description, because it's like they have a terrible marriage, like, I don't think that's true. They just got caught up in what the struggles of marriage, and that's a true thing, and how, yeah,

Ben Silverio 24:03

I think the one, one bit that I would point out it, you know, for the manipulative argument, would be how he reacted after Peggy tries to initiate sex, because he kind of, like blows up at it, you know, in this kind, in This pretty, not cool way, and I'm just like, Dude, relax.

Jamie Jirak 24:25

I think to me, that seems just funny because they're both. He doesn't know this, but they're both working on very different levels. You know, she's had 25 years of sexual experience, and he's a virgin. And I'm so I feel like, if, like, Gen Z found this movie, they they talk about, like, the problematic age differences between Peggy Sue and all these teenagers, which is silly to me, like I'm not, I'm not gonna go there, but, but I think that, like for him, you know, you're a teenage boy and all this, but then the moment becomes a reality. And I think, I think he got scared. I don't think it was a manipulative. Of tactic, although it easily could have been, but I just see it as like he panicked. He didn't know what to do because she was being very forceful. She was talking, she had a name for his dick, and he didn't understand what that was. Even was,

Ben Silverio 25:15

oh, man, that's funny, because that that reminds me of my stand up class that I took in college. Oh God, this is such a such a random tangent, but so this class was great. So I my major in school was screenwriting and playwriting, but I had a focus on comedy, and they introduced the stand up class, and the final was performing on the main stage theater in front of an audience, not a coffee house, not like a small gathering of people, literally, the one where, like, the big plays go up on, like, like, I felt like I was like, Eddie Murphy or Gabriel Iglesias, you know, like it was insane, one person center of the stage. My closing joke was about an ex girlfriend who wanted to come up with nicknames for our private parts. And just the whole concept of naming someone's dick is always very funny to me. And so when she throws that out there, that she has this name, and I the way you're framing it, it does sound funnier than how I reacted to it in the moment, but then also the the moment in in the house, I think it was in the basement, like, right after, where he's just like, you're trying to do all this stuff, you know. And I understand that, you know, girls probably feel the way boys do sometimes. And I was just like, oh, I guess that moment shows that he's like, thinking about stuff, as opposed to trying to game the system, you know. It's just, he's such a Charlie is such a all over the place, crazy dude. Like, how crazy Charlie? Like, how is this redeemable? And I guess, you know, Peggy Sue really finds it in the end. But one thing that I've noticed lately for me, I think I'm starting to see signs that I've been single for way too long, because I finally watched the Summer I Turned Pretty and I just watched eternity, the amazing movie.

Jamie Jirak 27:15

Don't tell me anything about it, because Elizabeth Olsen is my favorite actress, and I'm so mad. I can't see it until next week. I'm so pissed

Ben Silverio 27:22

about it. Oh, I will say Elizabeth Holtz, and is amazing. And, you know, the premise of attorney, yeah. So it relates to pace, who got married for me in that I'm not rooting for the guy that everyone is always rooting for. I want to try to say this without any spoilers. Okay, so for Peggy Sue Got Married, Peggy Sue almost gets to this point where she's just like, oh, maybe I could do this for myself. Maybe I could find my dreams if I do this over again, maybe I could actually be a dancer instead of getting pregnant too young and ending up with Charlie and then having all this bad stuff happen to me. And I'm just like, Yes, girl, go do that. You can totally do that. And, you know, the Summer I Turned Pretty of the two brothers, you know, the one that she ends up with, I'm just like, girl, you were so close to, like, being a strong, I mean, very independent. Do you

Jamie Jirak 28:19

think she shouldn't have been with either brother?

Ben Silverio 28:22

Well, she ended up with the one that I liked less.

Jamie Jirak 28:28

So that's so I've never watched that show, but I have to write about it sometimes. So I've read a description of every single episode, so I know a little bit, and I've also read a lot of reactions, and you're definitely in the minority fear shipping the other guy for sure,

Ben Silverio 28:42

yeah, but like, what I would have preferred is for belly to really, like, live out her Parisian lifestyle, like she didn't need to come back, she didn't need to go to go back to Conrad, especially when he's such a like, I guess maybe manipulative is the wrong word, because, like, there can be, I think we can draw some parallels with Conrad and Charlie in these movies, or, well, in these, you know, stories. But it's like these women can, can stand on their own and don't need these guys. And yet they keep coming back over and over, because we see Peggy Sue come back around to Charlie a couple times in the movie. And I'm just like, girl, you could totally you don't need to. You don't have to. It's okay.

Jamie Jirak 29:31

I don't disagree. Like, for example, Stranger Things comes back tonight, and, you know, it's always like, Jonathan or Steve, but like, I would be happy if Nancy just went off and continued her journalism career without one of them, but, but also, but also, I love them both, and if she ended up with either, I wouldn't be mad so, but so I do think, like in real life, I'm like, Yeah, girl, be independent. But as a movie watcher, I'm such a shipper that I do like shipping to people, and I do. Think that you're right that Peggy Sue, it would have been, it could have been cool to see her go off on her own, but like, those decisions were already made. They like, I don't think that she we were ever going to have an ending where she just lives out a new timeline of a life and and like. But also, I think an important factor too, is one, she misses her kids. She loves her kids. I think that Charlie gave her her kids, and that's an important factor. You know, personally, I'm not a fan of kids. Don't want them, but if you know, she seems to like it. But I also think that a big turning. I think the most important moment of the movie is when she goes to visit her grandparents. I think that's like, that's, that's the pivotal scene for me. It's such a beautiful scene, like, especially, it hit my grandfather passed this year, and my grandmother's like an assisted living with dementia, and like I so that scene hit harder than it ever has for me before this watching it this year, and there is kind of this quality to that where I think that seeing them and talking to them does help her realize that, like, she didn't have a bad life, she didn't she It's just only soured from this thing that happened towards the end, this fight, this, this one cheating thing that happened, but, but that doesn't discount all the happy many, many years they had together, which they clearly did. She clearly loved him and he loved her. But, you know, things get soured in the end, and that does, yeah, it doesn't change. It's time, baby. There's lots of time. Yeah.

Ben Silverio 31:25

And you know, it really depends on on how you look at things, right? Because, for example, if someone does a grand romantic gesture for someone and that person on the receiving end likes that other person, then it's romantic. But if not, then it's creepy. You know? It's like How I Met Your Mother, the Doppler, or the, yeah, the dobbler, or the Dahmer effect, right? So, like Lloyd dobbler, John Cusack could have been a huge creep standing there with the radio under the window. But because she liked him, it was sweet. So I guess the with this, it's like, yeah, sometimes it can be creepy for a guy to be relentless and to keep coming back and not taking no for an answer. But if she's really like, like, into it, you know, like, if she, if she's happy with that, then, then, I guess that's, that's a whole different story, right?

Jamie Jirak 32:29

And I think ultimately, she is, she, she loves, she's mad at him.

Ben Silverio 32:36

Yeah, it's a, it's definitely, I didn't think that we would be having this conversation with Peggy Sue Got Married, but like, that's part of what makes this a good movie. I think it really sparks this conversation.

Jamie Jirak 32:50

Worth noting too, that it was nominated for three Oscars, including Kathleen Turner was nominated. And I just think that that it says a lot of just the power of what she's doing here and and I think that's why it's a movie I keep coming back to. I Tony, and I were like, kind of ranking Coppola? And I was like, this is probably my second favorite Coppola. It's, it's, even though there are others I would I would rate higher, I would give a higher score. It's just one that I'm like, that I come back to a lot because it's very comforting, and it's and it's just everyone needed to soak it.

Ben Silverio 33:23

Yes, absolutely. So we are a time travel podcast, so we need to talk about the time travel mechanism of Peggy Sue Got Married, which there kind of sort of is one she just passes out and wakes up in the 60s. But Richard coins the phrase Richard's burrito, where one side of time is folded onto another part of itself. How do you receive that definition of what's going on here?

Jamie Jirak 33:53

I like it. It's I like it's a new kind of thing. Because, like, How many times have we heard like the fly in the Acrobat business? I guess that's, like, more dimensional, but either way, like, I think it's fun. I but it's one of those things where I was talking to my my best friend, Jake, about this yesterday, and he's like, Oh, Peggy Sue Got Married is kind of like 13 going on 30 rules where it's like, it doesn't there's no rule. It doesn't matter. I just they wake up and it happens, which is why, to me, it's so funny that it ends with her grandpa being in, like, a time travel cult, a group of men who are obsessed with time travel, which is like, yeah, I don't think that's necessary, but I think it's hilarious, and I love it because, and so it's, it's like, time travel is real. She it's not just that she bonked her head. I think,

Ben Silverio 34:41

I don't know, Yeah, cuz it's like, the question of, is this all a dream? Like, keeps coming up, and then the lodge stuff happens. And first, when, when we find out what the lodge is really about, I'm just like, oh my god, is this my future as someone who's talks about to. Time Travel way too much, but, but then I just thought, I'm like, Well, this lodge thing didn't necessarily need to be a thing like this was, it was kind of a necessary. But it was sweet to have that moment of of the grandpa in the car with Peggy Sue and like, I want to help in any way that I can, and this group of guys can maybe help. Was it necessary? No. But like, I did come to appreciate that scene, I think in the moment, I was just like, why does this need to be here? We don't need this extra it was almost like a hat on a hat, right? It's just like, we already know this is a time travel movie. We've kind of already accepted that we don't need to know all the rules, and then all of a sudden, hey, this organization founded by a time traveler, is going to help send her back. And I'm like, oh, okay, so I was a little confused by that moment, but it didn't really affect my overall enjoyment of the movie. I don't think,

Jamie Jirak 35:58

yeah, I think the purpose of it is to so that, like her to understand why her grandparents would be so quick to believe her is like, he already believes in time travel. That's the only reason I can think,

Ben Silverio 36:11

yeah, okay, yeah. So, I mean, like, you didn't mention it's no rules, and it's fine. I also just, it

Jamie Jirak 36:19

just occurred to me, sorry, that like it's, it's kind of the wizard like that. She kind of is on a Wizard of Oz journey, because that club is kind of the wizard, and they and they, and it's like the promise of sending her home, but it doesn't really work. And then she has to go figure out her there's no place like home business in the end. So yeah, maybe that's why they're there.

Ben Silverio 36:39

But, but the at the end of that sequence where the the one like lodge member, was like, well, she went home, let's play cards. I'm just like, Oh, okay. They've only been waiting for this for like, decades, and now they're just gonna go back to the good

Jamie Jirak 36:56

guys. Just want the camaraderie. They don't really time travel.

Ben Silverio 37:01

It's like, it's like that episode of Frasier where Frasier Niles are fighting over the wine club, and the the one guy is just like, remember when we used to drink? I do love that. So I do want to bring up Michael Fitzsimmons, not just because his last name is Fitzsimmons, and you're very used to talking about Fitzsimmons, but there was a lion that he said that really made me think, like I wrote it down during during my watch. He said a writer's life is his work. When they were talking about Hemingway, and, you know, all those other authors, and, you know, as a writer, I was just thinking about that. I'm just like, oh, man, what does that mean? Is that true? How do I feel about that? So, I mean, like, I don't really have answers, but like, I'd like to pose the question to you as a fellow writer, how do you feel about that quote?

Jamie Jirak 38:02

I think that could arguably be the case for any kind of artistic or even just a job you know, like I think that if you're a writer, your words are going to live on beyond you. So in a way, that's it is true. But if you know, I don't really think that when I die people are going to be talking about the time I wrote about how Die Hard is different from the book. It's based on, you know, I think, I think it's, uh, it just depends.

Ben Silverio 38:31

You mean to tell me that no one's gonna go back and read my slash film article about the family madrigal and all their functions in the family. What do you mean?

Jamie Jirak 38:42

You never know. Listen, I love Encanto as much as the next guys.

Ben Silverio 38:46

That's probably a bad example, because people will probably read that one for a few years. But the one I wrote about people who refuse to kiss, I don't know, maybe not as much. Shout out to Neil McDonough, though, because I love Dum Dum Dugan, I'm not even gonna get into that conversation. Yes, I agree, Jamie, that the Howling Commandos should have had their own show the controversial and they should kiss each other exactly. Okay, so the last question we have on the pod for our review episode, the big question is, Peggy Sue Got Married worth your time. I mean, and I mean as as someone who, who has a stronger relationship to this movie than I do. I feel like I know your answer, but I got asked the question anyway.

Jamie Jirak 39:50

I mean, I picked it, so I'm just when I picked it, I didn't it didn't occur to me that maybe you hadn't seen it. I just didn't think about that. So I'm really excited that I picked it because I got. Introduce a movie that I very much enjoy, to a person I very much enjoy.

Ben Silverio 40:04

Oh, thank you. I guess really this, the question falls on me, and I would have to give it a resounding yes. It is absolutely worth your time. Because, you know, even for someone who who may not like Nicholas Cage as much, who may find him too wacky, you know. And even if crazy Charlie might not be the best person, I do really enjoy this, this really introspection that that Peggy Sue goes into throughout this movie. You know, we mentioned it before. It's not really about time travel. It's about how this woman feels about her life over the past 25 years. And it's, it's a really interesting character study, I think, because, you know, again, probably not listed immediately when you talk about Coppola, but I think this deserves to be in the conversation. When you talk about how good

Jamie Jirak 41:03

he is, I have seen this movie way more than I've seen the godfather. And that's just

Ben Silverio 41:08

a fact. Yeah. See exactly, absolutely. You know, the directing, the writing, the acting. You know, this is on point in a number of areas.

Jamie Jirak 41:18

It also was nominated for Best Cinematography.

Ben Silverio 41:22

See, there you go. It's yeah, I think you y'all should check out Peggy Sue Got Married. If you haven't, and if you have, you can go back to Episode One and play our drinking smoking game, yeah. So I think that does it for our review of Peggy zoo got married. Thanks for tuning in. Special. Thanks to Jamie for joining us and introducing me to this movie. Big fan party people, I guess if you like it, you know, come back episode three, you don't know what's gonna happen because we're crazy like that, but it's entertainment. We always have a good time with that. Until then, I'm really bad at, like, exiting the podcast. Sometimes it just the amount of times I've done this, I'm just like, oh, how can I not repeat myself? I get it anyway. I understand. You can find us on the internet. I'm at B Silverio 20 on the various social media platforms that I choose to be on.

Jamie Jirak 42:19

I'm at Jamie girach on letterboxed and Instagram, and then at Lido pod is my Agents of SHIELD podcast, and face hero is my general. We talk about lots of new things. We just did a wicked episode. So wicked for good twice in one day, and I'm seeing it again on Monday. So I have

Ben Silverio 42:35

amazing I have not listened to it yet because I'm seeing it tomorrow. So, but after, after I finally see it,

Jamie Jirak 42:44

it's divisive. You might not like I sure did, though.

Ben Silverio 42:49

Oh, wait, there was something that I saw you post that I meant to ask you about. Oh, God, and it was about you not liking something. Oh, the new songs. No, actually, I don't think it was wicked, really. Oh, I know what it was. It was Kill Bill whole bloody affair.

Jamie Jirak 43:09

Oh yeah. Oh no, I love

Ben Silverio 43:10

that. Oh, you did.

Jamie Jirak 43:12

No, okay, what you I think there was a misunderstanding. I got a cowboy hat tattoo the day after I saw Kill Bill the whole bloody affair to honor the movie, and Michael Madsen had just passed that week, and what happened was that the cowboy hat looked like a penis. So I didn't hate the movie. I hated the tattoo I put on my body that looked like the tip of the penis. So yesterday, I actually got a tattoo artist to fix it. And okay, I finally, funny enough, added a snake, added something more phallic, but it looks less like amazing. So, no, I love Kill Bill, the whole bloody affair. I hated the penis I tattooed on this.

Ben Silverio 43:53

You know, just like Peggy Sue's mom says in the movie, you know what a penis is, stay away from it. Oh, my God, I'm sorry for derailing this outro. I hope it makes it in. I also hit, if you're still on a platform that uses hashtags, you can use the hashtag time to party. That's time the number two party

Ansel Burch 44:17

as well as time the number two party, all spelled out. Thanks to Warwick, this has been an indecisionist production special. Thanks to April maralba for our podcast art, and to Marlon longitud of Marlon and the shakes for our amazing theme song. You can find me at the indecisionist on all of the social media platforms I can be bothered to be on

Ben Silverio 44:36

until next time party people watch Peggy Sue Got Married and stuff, and maybe, I don't know, go to your high school reunion. I guess then don't pass out. Whatever. Anyway, be excellent to each other. You.

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