Terminator Genisys: Part 2
Rachel Granda-Gluski, Ben Silverio, and Ansel Burch are pop culture observers/ content creators/ excellent friends who are ready to travel back and forth through time as many times as it takes to stop the robots even if we become robots ourselves in the process.
It’s episode 2, so let’s review this “film”. We’re going to talk about all of the highs and lows of this Jai Courtney, Emilia Clarke, and technically Matt Smith vehicle. It can’t be that bad, Arnold is in it.
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Transcript
Ben Silverio 0:05
Hey, I'm Ben Silverio.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 0:07
I'm Rachel Granda Gluski.
Ansel Burch 0:08
and I'm Ansel Burch, and
Ben Silverio 0:10
it's Time 2 Party.
Ansel Burch 0:15
We are not doctors. We don't give medical advice. Please drink responsibly. This episode's recorded on April 8, 2025
Ben Silverio 0:26
that's really all you need those that's, I mean,
Ansel Burch 0:29
that's the whole thing. Yeah, that's the whole thing. Just sort of throw some trumpets under there and call it a day, right?
Ben Silverio 0:37
Like some of these most iconic, like themes or, like, just a couple notes,
Ansel Burch 0:45
couple Did you? Did you watch that documentary about John Williams? Oh,
Ben Silverio 0:49
not yet. Oh, it's so good, really, it's
Ansel Burch 0:53
so good. Gotta check, especially because John Williams fell ass backwards into making film scores, really, yeah, he actually, really didn't like it. At first, he was like, I don't, this feels wrong, I don't know. But then he got some of that sweet, sweet Star Wars money, and it was like, Okay, I mean, sure,
Ben Silverio 1:11
I guess. And now he's one of the best ever do it. Yeah, yeah. Suck it, Hans, I I,
you know, that's now on my list for documentaries to watch. But number one, of course, is the Goofy Movie documentary that just dropped yesterday.
Ansel Burch 1:36
Oh, I didn't, didn't hear about that. Yeah. Sound like your shit. Absolutely
Ben Silverio 1:41
just an hour and a half of revisiting a Goofy Movie and the whole process and the legacy of the movie all about it.
Ansel Burch 1:50
Okay, okay. I mean, how much of it is just gonna be talking about power line and
Rachel Granda-Gluski 1:56
the music is so good.
Ben Silverio 1:57
I mean, Carter Burwell and Kevin Campbell have to be in it, right? Like, there's no way they could have done this without them. But, you know, Jason Marsden and Bill farmer obviously, are in it as well. They've done some promo for it, and it's just like them driving in a car that looks like Goofy's car. And I'm like, I love this already.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 2:19
Yes, please. Yes, please. Moving to Disney. There was a big power line number in the Halloween parade, and what I was singing along and dancing to it, and I looked at my husband, who, for context, is shorter than me by a few inches, and when they sang the C in it Eye to Eye part, I lowered myself down enough to actually be at eye level to him. And when I tell you that, I was like, Oops, and this is how I got divorced at Disney. So displeased with my humor, he thought it was funny in the end, but he was just like, I can't believe you did that to me in this crowd of people that was so funny and I'm so mad,
Ansel Burch 3:08
like I do appreciate about ant, how he, he, he goes from Mad into deeply amused. That's a, it's a, it's a roller coaster. You don't see many people go on.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 3:19
Honestly, most of his anger is actually that he's mad at how funny he thought it was. He's like that joke was stupid, and I'm laughing so hard, and now I'm mad at myself for thinking your stupid joke was so entertaining. And then he's just real small, so when he's getting really mad about stuff. It's really adorable.
Unknown Speaker 3:48
Oh,
Rachel Granda-Gluski 3:50
our marriage is the fact that I think that when he's grumpy, he's really adorable. Like, I'm like, Oh, are we grumpy?
Ben Silverio 3:57
I don't. Oh, my God, I feel so bad that I'm picturing him at Disneyland in like the Mickey ears and like holding a churro, like being grumpy.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 4:08
He was probably accurate Pokemon hoodie at the time. Sableye, I think, okay, just being really grumpy. I Uh,
Ansel Burch 4:23
hey, hey, Ben, what are we talking about today?
Ben Silverio 4:25
Hey, party people. Welcome back to time to party where, you know, we talk about stuff, and sometimes, I guess that's like our whole deal, right?
Ansel Burch 4:36
Audio, today, we're mostly talking about guy, Courtney.
Ben Silverio 4:39
Hey, let's hope not. Jeez, well, even though we have to talk about that guy, we're so glad to have Rachel grant mcglosky back with us. Yeah,
Rachel Granda-Gluski 4:55
thanks for having me back. It's fun
Ansel Burch 4:59
and Rachel, it's Burch. A minute since we had you on the show before? Yeah, yeah, it's
Rachel Granda-Gluski 5:05
the dramatic movie genre switch, like switching from rom coms to whatever this disaster is like,
Ben Silverio 5:14
there's a romance in here somewhere, kind of, I'm actually,
Ansel Burch 5:24
I refuse, absolutely not
Rachel Granda-Gluski 5:26
that just jumps off this screen at Yes, yeah, run away
Ansel Burch 5:34
screaming. The sexual chemistry,
Ben Silverio 5:36
if you couldn't tell from that rousing endorsement this month on time to party. We're talking about Terminator Genesis, going back to our roots, to the franchise started by James Cameron and now championed through a number of different people. If you don't know anything about Terminator Genesis, here's what Rotten Tomatoes says when John Connor, leader of the human resistance against Skynet, sends Kyle Reese back to 1984 to protect his mother, Sarah Connor, from a terminator assassin. An unexpected turn of events creates an altered timeline. Instead of a scared waitress, Sarah is a skilled fighter and has a terminator Guardian by her side, faced with unlikely allies and dangerous new enemies, Reese sets out to on an unexpected new mission reset the future. So for those of you spoilers
Rachel Granda-Gluski 6:26
in that, yeah,
Ben Silverio 6:27
there's so
Rachel Granda-Gluski 6:28
many, like tire plot of the movie
Ben Silverio 6:32
Rotten Tomatoes does not give a honestly, it
Ansel Burch 6:35
might do you some favors. That's very true. They were like,
Rachel Granda-Gluski 6:38
no one's gonna watch this.
Ansel Burch 6:41
Yeah, for you're gonna be so high when they watch this, just, let's, let's give them a shot, right? That's
Rachel Granda-Gluski 6:48
the Rotten Tomatoes. Score. Oh, that's a good question
Ansel Burch 6:52
to me, to meter 26 is that what I'm seeing? 26
Ben Silverio 6:56
Yep. And then the popcorn readers, 52 but you know,
Ansel Burch 7:03
letterbox has it 2.2 out of five.
Ben Silverio 7:07
It's not very well received. But if you are familiar with the Terminator franchise, basically forget most of what you know when you go into this one, because it basically ignores two whole movies and is a direct sequel to Terminator two, which is widely regarded as one of the best sequels ever made. But then you get this stuff, and it's, it's a movie. I mean,
Ansel Burch 7:34
I do have to respect the audacity of doing a branch timeline movie that covers a lot of the same material that you've already done, yes, but using the branch timeline is also an excuse to recast most of the film and not acknowledge it in any way. Yeah, it's,
Ben Silverio 7:58
it's a choice. So, Rachel, you mentioned you are a fan of the Terminator franchise. How does this stack up to the rest of the films in the franchise? Poorly for you.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 8:19
I mean, so like, I, like, I said earlier, I I do really enjoy bad action movies. So there's a part of me that still likes this movie for its over the Topness, whereas you can actually appreciate like Terminator one and two for being, like, fairly well done films that are interesting and we're very unique. For at the time, this film is kind of almost like it. It treads the line of being like, so bad, it's still entertaining, like, and so I still kind of get a kick out of it. Like, I don't hate this movie. It's but I will admit that it's terrible, but like sometimes you want to watch a terrible movie.
Ben Silverio 9:04
Sure, see for me, there are one or two things that were good ideas in this movie, but then the execution and then bringing it all together, not the best. I would agree.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 9:17
I think I actually really like the twist of John Connor being spoilers, by the way, let him loose. Yeah, I actually really enjoy the twist of, like Terminator John Connor and like how he's a bad guy, like that. That was fun. And actually, the first time I ever watched this film, I was like, Oh, wait, shit. Like, cool, but it almost would just be more interesting if they were only fighting Terminator John Connor, as opposed to the then a amorphous blob that is Skynet and Genesis.
Ben Silverio 9:56
And I feel like both of those ideas are. Good ideas, but when you mash them up together, it creates too much going on. You know? It's convoluted at that point. Yeah,
Rachel Granda-Gluski 10:08
it gets very messy. And it's also like, they never address how John Connor was able to find them. They never really address it. They'd never make sense how he just showed up in 2017 was like, Hey, I found you guys. How, how did you? Oh, no,
Ansel Burch 10:30
they did. They did they because he traveled to 2014 and started working with Genesis. Okay, so he did the same thing that that Arnold
Rachel Granda-Gluski 10:43
time jumping gets really confusing at various points. Yeah. I
Ben Silverio 10:47
feel like the most confusing bit of time jumping is when Matt Smith Skynet shows up at the beginning, because they don't really address that, that Skynet is from a different timeline. Yeah, because, like, if they had just expanded Matt Smith's character a little bit, then it would have made a little more sense, and then at least the plot could have been a little bit more cohesive. But by limiting Him to two scenes, one of which where he's, you know, just a hologram, like it's, it wastes him. It's really unfortunate, because Alan Taylor, the director of this movie, is very good. I feel like he makes things feel tangible. That's why Thor, the dark world, I think, worked on a level, because he made Asgard feel real. So there are elements of Genesis where, to me, he makes it kind of believable that this is the world that we're in, but he somehow gets saddled with, Oh, hey, we have a former Time Lord in the cast, and we're going to make you waste him. Yeah, it's, it's weird that it's happened twice.
Ansel Burch 12:03
Here's the here, here's the the knit that I want to especially pick with that we have this moment where we're first introduced to him in the pile of humanity as as Reese is being pulled away, and he says a super ominous line, as though Reese is supposed to recognize who the fuck he is, but then we don't time loop back on it. No, like that character should have, we should have seen that guy leave the final confrontation and be like, Haha, I'm leaving. And that's, you know, just to establish, you know, how all of this loops back and why he recognizes and at least that would have given it some kind of sensical like time travel shenanigans, reason for being, as opposed to just setting up the John Connor double fake, I guess. Yeah, yeah.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 12:55
I also feel like this movie really lost an opportunity with the 80s flashback to just have a lot more fun with that. Like nobody in the 80s flashback looked 80s. No, not at all, not in the slightest. And I was like, that's such a bummer, because like that could have been really fun and really campy to kind of embrace the like 80s campiness, and they really just didn't do anything with it.
Ansel Burch 13:24
Actually, did they go back to the 80s? They did, yeah, yeah.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 13:28
That was the first time jump
Ben Silverio 13:31
with the t1 1000 and the,
Ansel Burch 13:34
yeah, yeah. I suppose that was for some reason. I thought it was supposed to be the 90s in that jump, but you're right, yeah, because it because it was supposed to be the same time that she would originally
Rachel Granda-Gluski 13:44
tell unless you read the little time things that pop up, and if you miss any of them, like the one that you brought up with John Connor when he's goes back to 2014 if you miss him, you're just confused.
Ansel Burch 13:57
Yeah, well, and he actually says it out loud, like when they first meet him, he says, like, Yes, I jumped back to 2014 and installed myself in the company. You know, the way a fill in would I've just been working with Skynet. That's not suspicious or weird.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 14:16
I'm just a good guy.
Ben Silverio 14:21
Um, yeah. I
Ansel Burch 14:23
mean, I guess, I guess Terminator also worked with Skynet for several years. So, yeah, does he help build that facility? Remember, that's the whole he did. That's how we magically were able to get access to all the secret sections underneath, and how he knew there was a panic room. Don't worry, I can get us to the climax. Walk briskly while I try to make this sound justified.
Ben Silverio 14:50
Says every Arnold movie like
Ansel Burch 14:52
ever almost. I mean, you got to get to that third act somehow. And true plausibility is not an option. You. And
Ben Silverio 15:00
you know, it's unfortunate that they can't all be as fun as Last Action Hero. Truly, I love that movie. Talk about a movie that can have fun with, like being in different time periods and shit, but it's like they spent so much money on making the body double look like Arnold that they didn't have anything left to do any of the other stuff. You know, like, there were moments where the t1 1000 just looked so cartoony.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 15:25
Yeah, they
Ansel Burch 15:29
did a pretty good job with the opening sequence, like all the like, gunships and whatnot. That was all pretty well done.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 15:36
It feels like they spent all of their money on the first 20 minutes of this film, and, like, they were like, oh shit. We have to, like, there was something really weird about the John Connor Terminator, when he, like, loses all of his flesh and he's just, like, bits and bobs. There's something weird about his proportions. And I couldn't, I was like, looking at it, and I was like, what? I don't know if it's the torso or, like, the hip width, or whatever it is, but he just he also looks very cartoony, like all of the terminators, except for the redone Arnold, which does look very good, are very cartoony. Did he look too big? I mean, yes, but he did kind of look too big in the Arnold bodybuilder of that age, I guess, I think, I think he was entertainingly large,
Ansel Burch 16:27
like he was entertainingly large. It's just every once in a while he when he turned I thought he was the Incredible Hulk.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 16:36
That's a different movie.
Ansel Burch 16:38
That was the giveaway, different color too, but
Ben Silverio 16:43
also that bit where they're like, oh, you know, the skin still ages. I'm like, what? That's why? Why? Like, it's supposed to be artificial skin, right? Like,
Ansel Burch 16:56
no, because the the early T, the early terminators, it's real skin. Oh, like that was because anything that wasn't inside of skin travel through time.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 17:10
Yeah, no, that's a good point. Keep the skin alive. That is a question we've never addressed. That was my immediate but, yeah, how is the skin alive to age? Let's
Ansel Burch 17:25
not talk about Arnold's moisturizing routine in between that time jump when he grows his face back, speaking
Rachel Granda-Gluski 17:31
of Doctor Who moisturized me, yeah, this movie definitely also has like, a really weird like it couldn't make up its mind, and at some points it really contradicted itself about the whole idea the like things changing and timelines and things being foreseen and but also like making your own choices, and things that were faded but then not faded, but then actually still faded, because they did the same thing anyway, like at the end where she was, like, I get to choose anything anyway.
Ansel Burch 18:09
Well, he was right there,
Rachel Granda-Gluski 18:12
literally the only man she knows,
Ben Silverio 18:16
yeah, because she spent her entire life preparing for his arrival. Like to
Rachel Granda-Gluski 18:21
not to not fall in love with him, stubbornly, because she's her own woman, and everyone who falls in love with her gets hurt, which I mean, so whiny. And I hate saying that about female characters, I can
Ansel Burch 18:36
see the beginnings of a good plot story. There she
Rachel Granda-Gluski 18:40
was, she had so much potential to be really bad ass, and was instead kind of whiny. And I was like, girl, and
Ben Silverio 18:49
she still wasn't the worst part of the movie. Oh yeah,
Rachel Granda-Gluski 18:54
because she's not shy. Courtney,
Ansel Burch 18:55
correct. That is apparently what you hire Amelia Clark for, I guess, which is too bad, because I think she's great. But yeah,
Rachel Granda-Gluski 19:08
I forgot about a drinking rule for the last one, so I'm gonna shadily mention it now. One of the rules I threw in as a joke was drink every time their accents slip a little bit. It
Ben Silverio 19:22
happened. Happens to all of them. It happens
Rachel Granda-Gluski 19:24
to all of them. I was like, Why? Why are you gonna cast this money? Not American actors who can't do good American accents? Matt Smith's American accent, and this was atrocious.
Ben Silverio 19:36
It was a little bad.
Ansel Burch 19:38
Those were the best takes. Those were the best aches
Rachel Granda-Gluski 19:41
he almost had, like a Trans Atlantic accent at one point, because you could tell he was trying and is not getting it. Yeah,
Ben Silverio 19:53
the before we move on from this point, straight line, you just go and you don't. Look back. I need to bring this up again because, like, hello, Kyle remembers two timelines. It's not really a straight line anymore. Bad advice.
Ansel Burch 20:15
I'm appreciating I looked up the Terminator franchise on Wikipedia and someone who's made a helpful graph of the timelines, and most of it is a straight line, Terminator, Terminator two, Terminator three, the series, and then salvation all a straight line. And then there's like little connectors for battle across time and the Sarah Connor Chronicles and dark fate, those all split off from Terminator two because nobody wants to do anything that follows up on the other ones, correct? And then Terminator Genesis is just off on its own. It's not connected to any of the other ones. There are no lines, just a.by
Ben Silverio 20:54
itself. It's insane. Oh my god, since you did bring up the Universal Studios attraction that is probably the coolest thing to come out of the Terminator franchise. I used to that, yeah, it was so awesome. Like, I remember the billboard, like, when you're driving up to Universal Studios, Hollywood just had, like, the skull of the Terminator, like
Rachel Granda-Gluski 21:22
flying out at you. Bummed I couldn't go on that ride. Oh,
Ben Silverio 21:26
my God. John Connor rides a motorcycle through the theater.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 21:31
I just can't do 3d stuff. It makes me so abhorrently nauseous.
Ben Silverio 21:39
I totally get that the closest thing that they had to something like that after it was Gone was the Bugs Life attraction in the animal kingdom, it's tough to be a bug, except to replace all the terminators with grasshoppers, and it's essentially the same thing. Also
Rachel Granda-Gluski 21:55
spray water on you, because we were not prepared.
Ben Silverio 22:00
They definitely did. It was very fun. The
Ansel Burch 22:04
40 theater, you got to spray water on people exactly,
Ben Silverio 22:07
you know, I missed this period of time where Universal Studios had all these great rides based on actual good movies, you know. And instead of just having 3d screens surrounding the tram or, you know, whatever the fuck that fast and furious thing was. I don't know why I'm specifically pointing out the things on the on the tram tour, but like, some of them, are just bad. Now, it's worse to have it's worse to have King Kong as a 3d screen, as opposed to having a huge animatronic that's trying to, like, throw you around. You know,
Ansel Burch 22:46
yeah, it probably breaks less well, my only guess,
Ben Silverio 22:49
yeah, probably, it's probably easier to bounce back from if there's a fire on the lot again. But sure,
Ansel Burch 22:57
sure, sure. So which is a better ride, Fast and Furious, or cars,
Ben Silverio 23:03
cars, 100% cars is such a great ride.
Ansel Burch 23:10
It I had seen the movie and I enjoyed the hell out of that
Rachel Granda-Gluski 23:12
grid. Cars are just so good. I will say it loses some of its magic when it breaks down and they turn all the lights on. I Oh, I got trapped on the cars right 25
Ben Silverio 23:25
minutes. Oh, man, 15 minutes
Rachel Granda-Gluski 23:29
in, they turned all the lights on, and we learned all the secrets
Ben Silverio 23:36
that happened to me when I was at Disney or Disneyland for my birthday, Mickey and minnie's runaway railway broke down, like, right when we got in, into it, and it broke down to the degree that we had to be escorted out. So we got to see all the little things and behind the scenes magic always, oh yeah, they're like, no pictures as you're leaving beat traction, please. But yeah, you know, we used to have proper experiences at theme parks with the universal logo attached to them, although now epic universe is supposed to be pretty good. Everything that I've been seeing coming out of this new theme park is insane, like the Donkey Kong coaster looks like it's actually hopping the the tracks, you know, like jumping across the tracks like the video game, but like the the Dark Universe, which could be the subject of so many more jokes, but apparently he's done really well, like they're actually doing Universal Monsters, like, you know, properly in this new attraction. That didn't seem like it was going to be much, but like the
Ansel Burch 24:59
trauma. Figured out how to do that in movies, if only like this one.
Ben Silverio 25:07
Yeah, it's sad. Yeah.
Ansel Burch 25:09
So, so talk to us about Jack Courtney Ben,
Rachel Granda-Gluski 25:12
yeah. Why? Why do you hate him? I need. I've
Ben Silverio 25:16
been, I've been pushing this and pushing this back because I'm trying to bring up everything else about this movie.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 25:23
Time I picked this movie for this it's I watched this terrible film again just to hear this,
Ansel Burch 25:30
just to get your take on Jai Courtney.
Ben Silverio 25:32
All right. Well, here it is. Jai Courtney is the temu version of Tom Hardy. Whenever Tom Hardy is not available, they have to call Jai Courtney. You know, he's slightly smaller. His face is takes up more space, I guess, like, geez, there is one role that I like Jai Courtney, and I say like, only in the sense that it fits. And that's Captain Boomerang. He was a good Captain Boomerang. He was a very good Captain Boomerang. But Captain Boomerang is supposed to be unlikable, so Jack Courtney fits right in. He just has such a punchable face. And especially in this movie, his performance is so hollow. Yeah, yeah. You know, like, he wants to be a Steve Rogers, like soldier, but it's like, there's something about it that I just don't buy. Mostly, probably because I want to punch him in the face every time he speaks. But like, I just don't think he can. He can pull off everything that Tom Hardy does so well, even though he really, really wants to just budget Tom Hardy, that's exactly what he is. You know, he's, you know, Sucks to suck Jack Courtney, but like, I'm just calling it like I see it. And like, he doesn't even he doesn't know his performance is probably one of the weakest in the whole movie. But like, there are some weak performances as well, like we touched on with Amelia Clark. But like, Jason Clark as as John Connor fits to me, because Jason Clark always seems kind of robotic, so to have him play a character that is part robot is kind of fitting. Um, he also has a weirdly shaped face. But like, you know,
Ansel Burch 27:35
while we're while we're in the in the area, though, I do think I should say, for my part, I think Amelia Clark did a great job with what she was given. I don't think we can blame this on Amelia. I think I think this one is on the script. Her
Rachel Granda-Gluski 27:48
good face in this movie. Like she really, like she puts those eyebrows to work in this film, like, she gives a lot of good facial expressions, but her lines are so stilted. And I think that's more to do with the writing, really, than anything else. And and like, like, she's so good at being like, cute and adorable that I don't it. This is such, just a such a weird role for her. Like, she's much better when she's being like funny and charming or kind of other worldly, like Daenerys. There's she's too like normal girl who didn't end up in a comedy in this movie, which does not work to her advantage at all.
Ansel Burch 28:33
See, I kind of thought that was to her advantage, because the whole, the whole dichotomy of her character in this iteration is that Sarah Connor should not be an action hero, but has to be and so like she spends the whole time being completely out of her depth. But really, actually in her depth, you don't look like you belong here. But you know, could they have done a better job with that 1,000,000% let her be competent in anything combat wise or tactical, would have been a great choice, since she was raised by a terminator to hunt Andrew or to hunt cyborgs. Yeah,
Ben Silverio 29:16
yeah. And, you know, she
Ansel Burch 29:17
says I was raised by a robot to hunt cyborgs, I think she
Rachel Granda-Gluski 29:22
could have been more badass. Yeah, the way
Ansel Burch 29:25
that we got to see Linda Hamilton do in when she returned, where now she's, like, good with all these weapons and like a stunt driver and, like, absolute destroy Oh, badass, yeah, it would have been cool to see Amelia Clark get a little bit of that.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 29:46
There was, like, a slight lack of physicality that I wanted from her. Like, if you look at Linda Hamilton when she returns, like the woman is jacked. Oh, my God. Yeah, and I think I just wanted Amelia Clark. I just wanted a little something more from her. But like, again, I don't think it's her fault, and I don't even necessarily think she was a terrible casting choice. It feels like choices that were made after she was cast were the like, predominantly the issues, like, they could have just taken her and made her bulk up a little bit. They could have made her a little bit more of an action role, not just always shooting guns and stuff. And it was so weird too, because, like, she's not particularly like, physically, like muscled in this film, and they don't let her wear a jacket, like, ever, yeah, she's always in like, short sleeves when all of the men are running around in jackets. And I was like, let this girl be cold. Okay, just like, let her wear a coat.
Ben Silverio 30:57
It's California. Oh well, actually, but they're in San Francisco, so, yeah, it's probably cold. It'd be chilly. It's unfortunate that this happened to Amelia. Amelia Clark again later, because Secret Invasion could have been so good for her. But again, the writing was just severely lacking that, you know, not only did it make her look bad there, well, yeah, but not only did it make her look bad, it made Samuel Jackson look bad in that instance too, you know.
Ansel Burch 31:31
But I don't know. I feel like they did a pretty good job with most of Sam Jackson's monologs. Yeah, dialog, not so much monolog,
Ben Silverio 31:43
plus the the plot, I feel like they lost it a bit there too. It could have been, it could have been rearranged in a much better way and well, it should have been a movie, just one movie, and it would have been a lot more succinct. Actually,
Ansel Burch 32:03
something I was thinking while we watched this movie. Do you think this was supposed to be a mini series?
Ben Silverio 32:13
They cast all the right people for it to be TV budget friendly, right? Except Arnold. It almost
Ansel Burch 32:19
feels like it was supposed to be a three episode thing, like the acts, each act of the film feels like it was a separate element there. Yeah, they're connected, but they're connected so poorly that, you know, if you'd had a whole week, you might have forgiven some of the like,
Rachel Granda-Gluski 32:39
you could let stuff go if you weren't binging it. Yeah, right.
Ansel Burch 32:43
Like, we're in the we're in the early 2000s now, okay, all right, sure, why not?
Ben Silverio 32:50
But, oh, man, you know, it's hard to forgive some of the the dialog here, because, like, like, we kind of touched on before. I'm not old, or I'm old, but not obsolete. Yeah? Like, they say it so many times, did
Ansel Burch 33:07
you say something Arnold just said and they just worked it in? Maybe
Ben Silverio 33:10
it's possible, but it's like,
Rachel Granda-Gluski 33:14
I wish they'd let Arnold be funnier. Yeah, same. He can. He has really good comedic timing when you let him be funny. And there were a lot of opportunities, like, they, they the smile was hilarious. The fact that he can't look like a human was funny. They should have played that up more Honestly, I feel like they they couldn't decide a lot of things about this movie, like, did they want it to be comedy? Did they want it to be more like action comedy? Did they want it to be more like dramatic did they want it to be a little bit horary? It was like they couldn't decide. And I really kind of wish they'd almost embraced the more comedic like side of it all,
Ben Silverio 34:02
yeah, especially when he keeps asking, like, oh, did, did you and Kyle mate yet? Yeah,
Rachel Granda-Gluski 34:08
oh yeah, these moments. And especially when you have someone like Amelia Clark, who does have such good comedic timing, and I feel like that honestly, also would have worked in Matt Smith and Jai Courtney's favor if you had been funnier. And I know what's his name, the guy who played John Connor, you said it a while ago, and I already forgot it, he's also right, or if he's just the one person playing the straight man the entire time, getting steadily more annoyed. Is like everyone else is treating it like a comedy. Actually would have been hilarious.
Ben Silverio 34:38
That would have been fun.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 34:40
I will work this movie with the same cast and make it work. Oh,
Ben Silverio 34:44
my God, just well, if you were in Sarah's position of like, you know, spoilers, sweetie, you know, like, this is what's gonna happen, you know, you're gonna fall in love with this guy and give Burch. Earth to the savior of the resistance. You know, like, how much pressure would you feel in that situation? I
Rachel Granda-Gluski 35:06
would be so annoyed. You mean, I have to be with this guy, this Yeah, as someone who, the first time they met their husband, went this guy for separate reasons, but I heard people talk about Anthony, my husband, before I ever met him, mostly because he was sleeping with a friend of mine at the time. So I heard a lot about him before I ever met him, and then I met him, and I was like, him, really, huh? Okay, and now we're married, but it was I have on those moments and so, like, I just feel like I would be so annoyed, but I almost, kind of, that's almost why I kind of wish that in this version, they didn't get together, like one, because they have crap chemistry the entire movie. There are these moments when they try to flirt with each other, and they're so stilted and awkward and come just out of nowhere, and some of them are at really inappropriate times that I almost kind of wish they hadn't gotten together in this one, because they already destroyed Skynet. They don't even need to make John Connor in this one, like, he doesn't need to be around. They're good. So, like, I kind of just wish they'd like, were like, cool, we're just gonna be friends. Then when
Ben Silverio 36:31
they were tripping over that, that bit about like, oh yeah, we were just naked because of the time travel. It didn't mean anything. Like that whole scene in the bunker was just like, oh so cringy, yeah. No.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 36:45
There were a lot of parts where Jai Courtney, for more slander, is like, trying to be a little bit, like, suave and charismatic, and it's just like, oh no girl, cover your drink and leave. Like, like, there's a lot of it's just they literally have no chemistry. And the thing is, I remember watching an interview with Amelia Clark where she talked about shooting this film, and they apparently had, like, a really, like, nice friendship. But unfortunately, that reads a lot like you can tell that they were kind of two people who, like, were buds and all the scenes where they have to be romantic, even their kiss is so awkward at the end
Ansel Burch 37:30
and not apparently, there was a rumor about them having dated, really, which I cannot imagine, thinking that they were Dating. Yeah, no,
Rachel Granda-Gluski 37:40
if they were dating during this film, it did not like, because sometimes you can tell you're like, Okay, this feels a little bit too real, um, but like it was just, it was just very like, it was very like acting class.
Ben Silverio 38:03
Like, like, hey, this baseball player has some off time, and he's gonna, he's gonna join the acting class for
Rachel Granda-Gluski 38:10
the musical. So, hey, member of the hockey team, are you willing to come play Prince? That's kind of what this was, like, like, it was like they were trying, but they just it. I like, I because I think in a thing like this, you want there to be more of a will. They won't. They like undeniable connection between them. So even though she's fighting this like fate, she can't resist it, and none of that was there. No, like, yeah, they didn't even have good banter. And I am a woman who loves to read banter. And, like, I love enemies to lovers. I read a lot of books like that. I love banter, the banter. And this was terrible,
Ben Silverio 38:58
so bad. How do, how does, how does, how does it get so bad, and it's like, I can't even blame Jai Courtney for all of it, because it's a lot of it's the writing. Yeah,
Rachel Granda-Gluski 39:14
I mean, I don't even think he is necessarily. I don't hate him as an actor. I think he definitely has his type, and I like now what that? Because I think he tried really hard for a really long time to be like an action hero, and when he does non action roles, I actually really enjoy his work. He did a historical Drama, Romance drama, um, where he plays like a German soldier, and one he has a great accent in that. So there is no reason he should suck this bad for this one. I'm gonna blame maybe a dialect coach on on this film. Maybe they did not give them good enough dialect coaches because. He has an excellent German accent in that film, but he's like, actually, really like, dynamic and subtle in it, and does a good performance and has is charming. Are you sure it's not Tom Hardy, I actually just saw a trailer for a new movie he's doing where he plays like a serial killer. And I was like, what? Because he looks weird in it, like he they really were like, we're gonna take this guy who spent a large part of his career being hot. I said that with quotations, because you can't see me being hot, quote, unquote, and really worked to make him not hot for this. And I was like, I'm intrigued, because he looks roll creepy.
Ben Silverio 40:56
There's a lot of ways that you can dress up a turd. I But at the end of the day, God, you know, I would really, I would really love it if Jai Courtney ever, like, listened to the podcast and, like, found me at a bar one day and we just became friends.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 41:19
Yeah, I honestly the fact that you live in LA, I kind of would love it if you met him and he turns out to just be the nicest guy you've ever met, and you two become buddies, and you're like, shit,
Ben Silverio 41:32
man, I'd have to like you now,
Ansel Burch 41:37
but then you get to look at him in a bar at one point, like, two beers in and go. Jai, the fuck happened to Terminator?
Rachel Granda-Gluski 41:44
No two beers in and be like, you have such a punchable face.
Ansel Burch 41:53
Do people tell you that a lot? I feel like they must
Ben Silverio 41:57
see if I if that ever happened to me with Pete Davidson, I think Pete would just be like, yeah, man, yeah. People tell me that all the time. I get it.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 42:07
Honestly. I definitely see what you're saying, though. But Jack Courtney, having a very punchable face, like the minute you said that, I was like, Oh yes, definitely. Oh yeah, yeah, no.
Ben Silverio 42:16
It's like the extended jaw just like, yeah, yeah, no.
Ansel Burch 42:24
Um, okay. You can just smell that he has bad takes about tipping. Oh
Ben Silverio 42:28
yeah, you know, oh
Rachel Granda-Gluski 42:30
no. I just love that they've stuck him in a bunch of movies like early in his career, like this one, where they were like, you're gonna play a relative of somebody who you look nothing like, hey. Because I was looking at his filmography a little bit and I was like, Oh, my God, he was in a Die Hard movie, uh huh. Oh, that's right, yeah. He plays um, he plays the fun, yeah, I was like, he looks nothing like and then this one, he looks nothing like, like. I still can't remember his name. The guy playing John Connor looks nothing like the child that Amelia Clark and Jai Carney would produce.
Ben Silverio 43:18
That's very true, man. Jason Clark, god damn it. Also giant Courtney and divergent bad.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 43:28
Oh, I forgot about that movie. I hated that those books so much I've actually never seen all of the movies. I've only watched part of the films that I know my friends are in.
Ansel Burch 43:40
I still haven't even seen that. No, I
Rachel Granda-Gluski 43:43
somebody showed me like, I think it was like, Ariel. Ariel Begley made me like, a clip of, like, here's the scenes we're off with all the people you know. And I was like, oh,
Ansel Burch 43:52
man, if you find that clip again, let me know, because I would love to watch just the parts my friends are in.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 43:57
It might have also been Kim. It was either Ariel or Kim. Someone had, like, a hot reel of like, everybody who went to Columbia and was in that movie. And it was great. It was very helpful. But I've never actually seen the film because I hated those books.
Ben Silverio 44:16
Random question, what were y'all doing on August 29 1997 while Skynet was waking up. Can you can you recall how
Rachel Granda-Gluski 44:27
old was I in 19 I would have been 10 um, so I would have been 10 years old in August of 1997 um, I was probably getting ready to start fifth grade. It was definitely oh and I was probably a horse camp. Yep, that's what I would have been doing in August of 1997 is horse camp because I was a horse girl.
Unknown Speaker 44:59
I. Yeah,
Ansel Burch 45:03
I was either working on the farm or, best case scenario, on a day of where dad took us somewhere better than the farm, but chances are good, I was like, weeding beans or something.
Ben Silverio 45:17
The way you said, yeah, it sounded, it almost sounded like you were gonna say that you were also a horse. Girl, Ansel.
Ansel Burch 45:24
I mean, I took a good run at
Rachel Granda-Gluski 45:28
it. Horses difference, that's true.
Ansel Burch 45:31
There just happened to be horses on the farm where I grew up, so like it was less of an active choice on my part. They were just present.
Ben Silverio 45:39
Like when you said b boy, I knew what you meant. But like now, just picturing Ansel as, like on a piece of cardboard, like trying to break dance, like
Rachel Granda-Gluski 45:51
the farm had honey, I should probably say that we don't know Ansel. The far more Ansel grew up, had honey on it. Had honey. Yes,
Ansel Burch 46:00
I was, in fact, quite fond of honey bees. Can
Ben Silverio 46:04
we start introducing Ansel as a bee? Boy,
Ansel Burch 46:08
Hey. Why not? That's technically accurate,
Ben Silverio 46:16
B, E, E, boy, instead of, yeah,
Ansel Burch 46:22
I got fun facts about apiaries.
Ben Silverio 46:25
Ooh, that's not where apes live. No,
Ansel Burch 46:31
no, what are those? Though, Primate House is what they call it, the zoo.
Unknown Speaker 46:42
I ask, like,
Ben Silverio 46:44
I ask Ansel all these animal questions, like, he's the authority.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 46:50
Oh, no, I might actually, no, I'm was I was such a like, I So fun fact, but Rachel, I originally went to college to be a zoologist, really, then chemistry was really hard, and then I chose a different major, but yeah, so I was, like a I was such a animal nerd as a kid. That stems from part of being a horse girl,
Ben Silverio 47:14
you would like the area where I go and play lurkana, because there's stables nearby, and people just like, roam around Burbank with horses. Why not?
Rachel Granda-Gluski 47:29
I can't ride anymore, but, Oh, I miss it. It was, it was like a cool thing to do as a kid.
Ben Silverio 47:37
You get to go and pet horses, right, and go see them.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 47:39
I got to go on like, a really slow trail ride last fall, and it was really fun. Oh,
Ansel Burch 47:48
hey, hey, Ben, hey. So August, 29 1997 Okay, I did a quick Google. It was a Friday. That's fun. Okay, it is also the day that Netflix was founded,
Ben Silverio 48:01
shut up is Netflix.
Ansel Burch 48:04
Netflix was launched on for on Skynet day. That's
Rachel Granda-Gluski 48:11
really that old,
Unknown Speaker 48:12
yeah? I mean,
Ansel Burch 48:14
yeah, wow. You
Ben Silverio 48:17
know, it's old enough that
Ansel Burch 48:19
they tried to sell to Blockbuster, and blockbuster wouldn't take them. So that's that's pretty early jokes.
Ben Silverio 48:29
They're really kicking themselves now and then, when Netflix had a show called blockbuster on their
Ansel Burch 48:38
The audacity, God, at least
Ben Silverio 48:41
Randall Park was in it. Yeah. Well, that kind of ties into what I was going to bring up next, you know, because I was going to say, how far are we from Skynet for real. But like the the sense of reliance on machines as a society is already rampant. Oh, yeah, right,
Rachel Granda-Gluski 48:58
and especially for this movie where Genesis like is really a smart home thing that ties all of your devices together. The fact that the Kindle on my phone talks to my actual Kindle, which talks to a tablet, if I had one, like and like your Smart TV can talk to your cell phone and all your different devices, it's nuts. Be that linked.
Ben Silverio 49:27
I mean, it's convenient, but then the things that the people do with that stuff is what makes it dangerous. It's like Zuckerberg and Bezos and all those dudes watched the Terminator and got the wrong message, yeah, clearly Billy zapka is the hero of Karate Kid.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 49:49
Watch the TV show. Yeah, they're
Ben Silverio 49:55
definitely those people, redemption
Ansel Burch 49:56
arc,
Rachel Granda-Gluski 49:58
right? Yeah, it's. It the Genesis, I think feels a little bit too much like Alexa gone horribly awry. Like, oh
Ansel Burch 50:08
yeah, I would say that is the element of this movie they did the best was like, absolutely driving home in in this alternate timeline. How is it plausible that Skynet still happens and hit the nail on the head. Yeah, absolutely, that makes sense. Yeah, if, if Skynet was in all my, all my devices, and could just shut down society for as long as it took, yeah, I could see it. This
Ben Silverio 50:36
Just In President Trump signs an executive order to initiate Skynet.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 50:43
I mean, it really is, like, kind of hilarious to think that, like most people, like how lost we would be without our cell phones these days, like how kids can't even, like, write papers anymore without chat, G, B, T, like people don't know how to do research anymore, like it's, it's, it's, we're, we're really, it's just not called Skynet, but we're very close. We just don't have the cool robot part. We have all the other negatives.
Ansel Burch 51:17
It's the only thing we're missing is the robot? Yeah,
Ben Silverio 51:22
we were promised robots and flying cars, and we just got all got all the crappy bits they don't talk about in the movies.
Ansel Burch 51:29
I would give all of that up for the replicator. I'll say it a million times
Rachel Granda-Gluski 51:34
the one piece of future technology I actually want. I
Ansel Burch 51:39
The amount of problems it would solve all by itself. World hunger, fuck it
Ben Silverio 51:45
replicate. Yeah, but then they wouldn't, they wouldn't price it commercially, and it would only go to the richest people.
Ansel Burch 51:52
Well, that is, I mean, that is the the thing is, like, is our society ready for for a replicator? And, I mean, that's not at all what this show is about. So I'll leave that there for y'all to enjoy in your own homes.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 52:05
I think we have learned that we're, we're close, far closer to taking the Terminator route than we are to taking the Star Trek Utopia route. I have a question. Actually, this movie made me think of, it was one of the first thing I wrote down in my notes. Um, would you actually want to survive the apocalypse? Like, if, the, if the, the robot apocalypse happened, would you, would you want to survive it?
Ansel Burch 52:30
No, not this one. No,
Ben Silverio 52:32
I think I get taken out pretty early. Yeah, you know, like, I can't run fast enough. Like, they're just gonna catch up to me pretty quickly.
Ansel Burch 52:43
Yeah, I have some, like, support skills that might be useful, but, boy, yeah, you wouldn't find me outside of the bunker we're all hiding in. Like,
Ben Silverio 52:53
you know, Demolition Man, like the the guy who plays the assistant in in Beetlejuice, I think there'll be Ansel role in the apocalypse. He'd be like the liaison to the to the robot overlords, because they need somebody to press a button somewhere.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 53:16
They do occasionally need a few humans left. Yeah.
Ansel Burch 53:18
I mean, for all the squishy organs we got we have our uses.
Ben Silverio 53:25
Ansel is encyclopedic knowledge and secret life as a time traveler will probably work to his advantage.
Ansel Burch 53:36
My dumb trivia about dumb trivia,
Ben Silverio 53:38
they're like, listen, we need to know something about a submarine
Ansel Burch 53:43
boy. I, as luck would have it.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 53:49
I also think that I would actually have helpful skills being like a former farm kid. I think I would also have, like, applicable skills to survival. But I have always been very grateful that I live in the city of Chicago, and if they nuke it, I am gone,
Ansel Burch 54:08
we will be a shadow on the pavement. Yeah, it's very true,
Unknown Speaker 54:12
faint memory.
Ben Silverio 54:13
All of us live in major metropolises that will likely be targeted first.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 54:20
No, I found once that someone posted like a map of major cities, and if they like, the thing was, is, if like a nuclear bomb detonated in the center of this city, what is considered the city center is where you live, what part of the blast radius it is. And I will, I am pleased to say that my condo would just be wiped off the map.
Ansel Burch 54:42
I it's just easier. It's just easier.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 54:45
Really, yeah, no, I don't want to experience that. Yeah, I also don't like being gross. That's my only thing as I would be like, I don't, I don't like being dirty. I can. That's I would, I would freak out. Eventually. I.
Ben Silverio 54:59
I just start trying to clean these robots that are taking over.
Ansel Burch 55:04
What a tank apocalypse is just too gross. Yeah? Gross. That is the first rule of time travel though, like, you can't go to the past because everything's gross, and you can't go to the future because you're gross.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 55:19
That's a good yeah, although,
Ben Silverio 55:21
as we have established in the past, if you two were to travel to the past, you'd be good, whereas I wouldn't have a bit of a
Rachel Granda-Gluski 55:29
yeah, oh no, I'd be in trouble. I have more so than Rachel, yeah, that are not okay for a person of my gender to hold. Well, that's That's true.
Ansel Burch 55:37
So much trouble and no practice keeping them to yourself. Burch is a witch
Rachel Granda-Gluski 55:43
so fast, I would say one smart ass thing and just be in so much trouble also. Um, I am blind as a bat. Oh,
Ansel Burch 55:56
yeah, if these break
Rachel Granda-Gluski 55:59
very thick glasses, I would not make it very far without contacts or glassware in my eyes so I could see like no, I need glasses so I could really only go back in the like 1919, century, 20th Century, no. 20th
Ansel Burch 56:19
Century. 20th Century. Late, late 19th probably hundreds. Yeah, if you could find a skilled glasses maker, they might be able to figure out your prescription in the late 1800s also,
Rachel Granda-Gluski 56:33
as we discussed the first time I was on this podcast about my rage that she gave a penicillin for him and Kate and Leopold, I would not be fan of that
Ben Silverio 56:45
man. Imagine all the things Sarah Connor could have done if she just didn't pick this jackass, Kyler Reese.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 56:54
You know what is something funny that this movie never discusses is Sarah Connor goes from the 80s to 2017 Can you imagine the actual like, catching up she's gonna have to do, oh, like, I think it's easier to be forward and go back, but she's gonna have to be like, Excuse me, what's a cell Phone?
Ben Silverio 57:16
Like? You mean the giant don't accept cash. Yeah.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 57:24
Yeah, just like this. The all of the advanced the way, like most cars work, is completely different. Like, what do you mean? There's a computer in my car.
Ansel Burch 57:37
Most cars don't have a key anymore. Can you imagine how much they would throw somebody from the 80s.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 57:42
I remember going on vacation with my parents, probably a little even earlier than 20. This is probably like 2015 and we got a rental car. That was the first time we'd ever had a car that had, like a keyless thing. When I tell you that the multiple degrees that the people in this car were holding, the like, three PhDs, four masters degrees and like, couldn't figure out how to get this fucking car to start like their counters doomed.
Ben Silverio 58:15
Oh, man, is is the modern day worse than the Terminator timeline. I guess we're still a few years
Rachel Granda-Gluski 58:30
in the next four years. So that was the thing. When the number flashed above the thing and they were like, 2029 I was like, Excuse me, four years from now, this is supposed to happen four years from now. You think we're gonna have planes that fly like that in four years? Well,
Ben Silverio 58:53
it's just like how the Jetsons was supposed to be in the year 2000
Unknown Speaker 58:57
Oh no, don't say that, by
Ansel Burch 58:58
the way. Did you notice a distinct lack of something that would help make that more plausible in their version of 2017 like any humanoid robots at all, yeah,
Rachel Granda-Gluski 59:13
other than the slightly more advanced cell phones, that technology was otherwise not advanced at all, or something that's supposed to be like 10 years.
Ben Silverio 59:26
Wow, yeah, no, that's good point. The it's like the details didn't matter to the people making this movie
Ansel Burch 59:35
that would have been expensive, 24 hmm,
Rachel Granda-Gluski 59:40
sorry, I just did some math in my head, and if it he's 12 and 2017 that means that the dry Courtney Kyle Reese is 24 Oh, no, he does not look that young. I mean,
Ben Silverio 59:54
if Danny Zuko is supposed to be 18,
Rachel Granda-Gluski 59:58
I can fully. No, God, there's like a thing with the adults playing high schoolers that, but like, what it really is this 30 year olds playing early 20s. Why wouldn't you just cast like a 24 year old actor? I feel like it might have actually helped the movie if he and and Sarah Connor had been a bit more baby faced. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It could have made her struggle too, with like, like, having all these lofty expectations of her, it could have kind of helped that as well, man,
Ben Silverio 1:00:35
I just there's so much to like, I don't know how there's people who are experts on this franchise, because there's so much stuff that's constantly changing.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 1:00:47
The idea that you're you can jump timelines, but your fingerprints are exactly the same. Yeah?
Ansel Burch 1:00:53
Well, yeah. I mean, that's genetics. It is. It's 2029, in all of them, apparently,
Rachel Granda-Gluski 1:01:03
that makes more sense as to why it was in this movie. Because, all right, all right, I'll give it a pass. Then I'll give it a pass
Ansel Burch 1:01:10
if they're just stuck with 2029 because that's what they said back in 1994 with your
Rachel Granda-Gluski 1:01:15
argument that there should have been, like, more aspects of Skynet around in or like, at least robotics, yeah,
Ansel Burch 1:01:22
2017 should have had some robots.
Ben Silverio 1:01:27
It should have been Meet the Robinsons, because that's because I could see that being the vibe before Skynet takes off. Yeah, like, helping people, yeah.
Ansel Burch 1:01:41
Or more like humanoid robots that are just, like, helping people carry shit around and, you know, like, oh, this, this is the robot that goes to work for me so that I can sit at home and run it like a video game. It's my teleprisons robot, you know, I would have bought that, that would have leaned into that, or
Rachel Granda-Gluski 1:02:01
dystopia, like wild robot robots, where we've really replaced, like farming and low level manufacturing job with automated humanoid robots, as opposed to,
Speaker 1 1:02:15
yeah, you know, instead of replacing the artists and writers, well, Yeah,
Ansel Burch 1:02:20
they're not crazy. It'd be implausible to replace artists with robots. Robots should be doing menial labor that nobody wants to do.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 1:02:32
Oh, I did have one more note comment that I wrote down. It's one of my pet peeves in movies is when they use Knocking someone out as like a time jump material, Kyle would have had so much brain damage. Oh, yeah, he's knocked out so many times in this movie. Just so much brain damage.
Speaker 1 1:02:51
Yeah, I guess they didn't. They didn't know as much about CTE back in the 80s.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 1:03:01
Yeah. I mean, maybe it just goes with his very punchable face, but
Speaker 1 1:03:05
absolutely, I mean, I a literal note that I wrote down was a worst nightmare to Jai Courtney's
Speaker 1 1:03:18
All right, enough Jack Courtney bashing for one day, because the only question left, really, is Rachel Ansel, is Terminator Genesis worth your time?
Rachel Granda-Gluski 1:03:35
You know, I think I don't remember where I talked about this in the first episode I did or not. Movies to me, always kind of fall into like three categories. It is movies that I didn't like and never want to see again. It is movies that I enjoyed and will seek out to watch more times, and there are movies that I am kind of ambivalent about, but wouldn't really be upset if someone, like asked to watch it or, like, put it on in the background. And this heavily falls into that category, like, I didn't hate the movie. I don't think it's like, it's not good, but it's got enough moments that are decently entertaining that it's one of those movies you could, like, throw on and just look at occasionally and go, Oh, huh. And then, like, carry on. Like, it's kind of a good like, background sound. You don't really need to pay attention to it. But I wasn't doing active harm to you, yeah. But I'm not like, so I'm not like. This was so bad that I it will hurt me to watch it again, but I would never, I'm never going to be like, God. I really want to watch Terminator Genesis today,
Unknown Speaker 1:04:47
except that one time we emailed you, and you said,
Rachel Granda-Gluski 1:04:52
In my defense, I'd only ever watched this movie once before, and it was like when it came out. And. I didn't quite remember how bad it was. I think, I think I was like, I don't think it was that terrible, and that I was re watching. Was like, Oh no, it is.
Ansel Burch 1:05:18
Well, for my part, I actually quite enjoyed it for on its own terms, obviously, it is not good cinema by any stretch. But you know, lots of big explosions, some dumb timey wimey nonsense, the time travel, I will say, at the very least, they, they made some attempts at clever use of the time travel tropes, especially with while they didn't pay it off very well, the idea of Matt Smith taking John Connor at the very beginning and then getting to see that paid off when we see him again, and he's turned, turned to the other side, turned to Trader. You know, all of that is clever use of the time travel mechanic, and it's something I haven't I haven't seen done in exactly that way before. As a fan of the genre, this movie was just tolerable. It was just fine. I could enjoy watching this again with some popcorn. I actually think I might watch it again on purpose. If we watch another one of the time of the terminators, that's near it, just for reference point, you know, so I can compare them, because I also haven't seen what's the other one that's supposed to be awful salvation.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 1:06:37
Yeah, I will say this did kind of make me want to do, like a full re watch. Like, I kind of want to watch one, two and three, and then salvation, this movie again. And what is it, dark fate? Yeah, I kind of, I it almost gave me. I was like, Why do I just want to watch all of the movies, even though I know several of them are bad. I was like, I just kind of want to watch, like, have a terminator marathon weekend where I just watch all of them.
Ansel Burch 1:07:05
Sign me up.
Unknown Speaker 1:07:08
Yeah, I totally agree. Marathon
Rachel Granda-Gluski 1:07:10
got horribly wrong,
Speaker 1 1:07:14
gone horribly wrong. So this may surprise you. But when this movie came out, I did review it back in the day, and it did end up on one of as one of my worst movies of 2015 but I did remember, you know, as I was watching, I was like, You know what? There are bits of this site. I did, like, I'm a sucker for time travel and alternate timelines and, you know, nostalgia sequels, um, in a way, this kind of revitalized the Terminator franchise. To give us a little bit of a a better um, start or restart, I should say, fans of Arnold Schwarzenegger will probably really appreciate this, because he's one of the best parts of the movie. But, you know, we probably should have gotten more of Sarah and pops to establish a bit of a, you know, stronger relationship, but, like, the chemistry was just so, so bad between Kyle and Sarah, and it, it's, it's kind of funny looking back at this review, because I gave it a 3.5 out of five, because I think, like, like, what you were saying, it's kind of a good summer movie, you know, you don't really have to think about it too much. Um, you know, and Jai Courtney aside, like, there were some good things about it, and had they explored them in the right way, I think it would have been way better. So it's not, it's not like it should be completely erased. You know, I thought it was fine, and I, after this revisit, I still think it's fine, even though I still think Jack Courtney sucks at the end of the day, it's just like, I'll be back. Yeah, you goddamn better, yeah, Terminator, you know. And without this, we wouldn't have gotten dark fate, which people do tend to enjoy.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 1:09:32
I enjoyed dark fate, and not just because Linda Hamilton's a babe, sure.
Speaker 3 1:09:37
So good. So, yeah, oh, good.
Speaker 1 1:09:42
So party people revisit Terminator Genesis, if you like. Just don't think about it too much.
Ansel Burch 1:09:52
Get your popcorn, get your beer. Don't
Rachel Granda-Gluski 1:09:54
take several pages of notes about it. Exactly, fun.
Speaker 1 1:10:02
All right. Well, that was our review of Terminator Genesis. You know, we certainly talked about the thing. Yeah, we did. You can find us on the internet. I'm at B silver 20 on Instagram, letter box to blue sky and all that good stuff.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 1:10:27
I am Orion has Moxie on Instagram and blue sky, though, the content you will get on each is very different.
Ansel Burch 1:10:40
I am the indecisionist on all the meta properties, as well as Reddit and blue sky. And I forgot to say last episode that we are also on letterboxed. Now. You can now go to letterboxed and catch all of the all of the movies we have watched in all five seasons are in their own playlists, as well as a playlist of movies that we have not yet seen. So if you want to have opinions about the movies that we are thinking about doing, you can do that there and let us know which ones we should prioritize. Yeah, one
Speaker 1 1:11:16
way you can do that is if you're using a social media platform that still uses hashtags. You can use the hashtag time to party. That's time the number two party,
Ansel Burch 1:11:27
as well as time the number two party, all spelled out. Thanks to Warwick, this has been an indecisionist production. Special. Thanks to April moralbo for our podcast art and to Marlon longit of Marlon and the shakes for our amazing theme song, party
Speaker 1 1:11:40
people, the future is not set. There is no fate, but that which we make ourselves. You must be stronger than you think. You can be, especially if you're gonna re watch Terminator Genesis.
Ansel Burch 1:11:58
Genesis is Skynet. I say after I've just taken out both of them,
Speaker 1 1:12:04
and while you're trying to remember that and maybe tell that to your 12 year old self, be excellent to each other.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 1:12:10
Party on dudes you.
